Regression

[Julia]

I interpret "will not be tolerated in any form" to mean "will not be tolerated in any form".

Likewise, it could well be interpreted that rules posted on the forum applying to the forum are, in fact, forum rules applying to the forum. I have never seen any rules applying to what can and cannot be published in the e-zine.

[Severan]

rules posted on the forum applying to the forum are, in fact, forum rules applying to the forum.

Beat me to it. The rules on the forum are posted by the admins. The admins of the forum are separate (technically) from the runners of the e-zine; forum admins only control content and rules of the Terrouge forums, while the Terrouge editor in chief dictates content and rules of the Terrouge e-zine. Hence we have some degree of dichotomy.

Also, I'd say that when I was admin, if Geo had posted his story in Wordsmith's, I'd have no problem with it. I've certainly posted worse violence-wise when I was putting up some of my chapters. I view the rules to be dealing with linguistics when it comes to fiction; don't use certain words, don't describe explicit sexual actions. Inferring things you can get away with, and you can describe as many people getting cut up with blades or immolated as you like (otherwise, how ever were we allowed to post half our QBIV posts on the site?) - children that are too young probably won't get the mental image that goes with such words, children that do are already messed up and won't be hurt any further.

To Geo: congratulations! Very Stoker. This is one of the few fanfics that I actually like, and plus you've now made it big-time as a writer; you've caused consternation and discussion regarding the morals of including your words in your chosen medium. I applaud you!

[Sean]

Hi TBT,

To elaborate a bit on Sev's point, you're more than entitled to your opinion, but I don't believe the forum rules have ever expressedly applied to the e-zine (if you can find something in the text that disproves this, please let me know). I'll say this- They probably should apply to the e-zine, but right now Sev is right. The forum rules have been created by the admins and mods according to what they believe is necessary to administrate the forum. The Editor determines what is appropriate in e-zine. As these standards are currently not identical, your argument may not be the most relevant.

Lucy may or may not have made a wise decision in publishing this article. I know Lucy made her decision in good faith; I probably wouldn't have run it. Still, I believe plenty of arguments could be made against the story's merit without resorting to an easy "you broke the rules," especially when those rules don't currently apply.

Best,
SR

Edit (Miskett): Removed TBT's name for privacy reasons.

[Zian]

Glad to see that you've returned to the e-zine, Sean Rubin!

[Emmy]

That was our challenge! I remember!

And this is still one of my favorites, Geo. <3

[highwing]

I find it interesting how the folks in this thread are splitting hairs (hares?) over the difference between rules for these forums and rules for the 'zine. What's ironic is that Terrouge all started with the 'zine, and the rest of this community sprang up around it. So, in a sense, the 'zine is the "original" Terrouge. And whatever ends up in there should set the example for what's allowed in the forums, not the other way around. IMHO.

Oh, and let me join Zian in welcoming Sean R. back for one of his (woefully) infrequent appearances. Please do come around more often, SeanFish!

As to the story itself - still a classic, Geo, and always will be! But then, I confess I may be somewhat biased in this matter, since I seem to recall tweaking this a bit for you back when you first posted "Regression" on the RFF.

Wing

[Dirgecallers]

The concept of Regression has been implied a bit in past redwall novels. Not 'instanous' regression, per se, but theres an underlying element of the primitive if you know where to look.


Take the Dirgecallers for example(Free self image points!) they did not speak or otherwise show any sign to indicate that they were sentient. They were completely obsessed with killing and bloodlust. I would say thats regression right there. Especially considering in Rakkety Tam, the Ermines are fully sentient.

Which brings me to....

Gulo. This wolverine is teetering right on the edge of sentience. Seriously, it makes me wonder...were wolverines the last species to evolve sentiency in the Redwall Universe? He was insane, true and blinded by rage. BUT there were hints that the whole family was like this as well. So for those of you who still defend Askor...remove the tree and see how long it takes for him to eat you.

Primeval monsters such as the DeepCoiler and the Slothonaug abound. This brings to my mind that Redwall is not that far advanced from a dark and scary age. (The redwall version of the meszoic?) Seriously, anyone who has seen the artists depiction of the Slothonaug should probably be frightened. That *pliesliosour* was the biggest creature that has been in Redwall before (short of a whale).


Anybody have any other examples of regression in the books?


*Hint*


Blood...

finish the sentence.

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[Arus]

Are we talking about the word "mount" here? Because I totally read that as "to get up on in order to ride" which is completely acceptable in my opinion. I will often mount my ferret on my cat in an attempt to get them to play together. Granted, Boo (ferret) doesn't stay mounted for very long, but it's still something I don't see a problem with. I'll even mount her on myself and walk around the house for a bit. It gives her a different perspective of things being so high up, and she finds it interesting.

So what's stopping these guys from mounting each other?

[Randomdej]

Arus, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount Scroll down to "other meanings." But you probably knew that...

While "mount" could be read as "piggyback" or "ride," and could be interpreted that way by some younger readers who don't know, the intended meaning isn't "ride."

[Arus]

So then what's the problem? If there's an "intended" meaning, but it's being lost because people aren't jumping to such conclusions, I don't see why it's sparking such controversy.

[Randomdej]

Unfortunately, there are, apparently, a few people with real messy minds out here. You see them complaining all over the first and second pages of this thread.

I think the reason we have such controversy is that some people have real problems with mental discipline, and they don't like that, so they prefer to blame us for their lack of control.

[Miskett]

Randomdej, please be careful about making blanket statements about people's self-control. That is a little inflammatory and we can do without that.

[Randomdej]

My apologies, Rain. I understand that could be an issue. I do find it surprising, though, that a conflict arose so quickly about a detail that was mentioned only once. Some of us are so quick to pounce on minutiae before responding to the story as a whole, a hasty reaction I consider somewhat undisciplined.

((Edit: After some thought, I think I'd better qualify this. This is no more meant to be serious than Arus's post was - well, maybe slightly, but definitely not completely serious. I don't honestly wish to bash people. I don't have the moral authority to, anyway. :P))

[Shadetail]

A brilliant peace in my opinion.

It was gripping and hooked me well, it was also quite disturbing and had a certain shock factor to it, and yes, i would agree with previous posts that state it builds up upon the savagery and other elements already present in the series, such as the bloodwrath.